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UN Plaza: To Ban or Not To Ban
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Recorded: June 26, 2009 Posted: June 27
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nautirony wrote on 06/28/2009  at  12:16 AM
Re: UN Plaza: To Ban or Not To Ban (Mark Leon Goldberg & Jacob Heilbrunn)
Jacob couldn't say exactly how UN/Moon screwed up with respect to Sri Lanka when Mark asked him for specifics. Here are some of them:
a. UN refrained from releasing the satellite photos that showed damages inflicted by the Sri Lankan Army.
b. Moon's chief of staff Vijay Nambiar went to Sri Lanka during the critical phase of the war. He only talked with the Sri Lankan government and did not use that opportunity to meet even the moderate Tamils.
c. Vijay Nambiar's brother (Satish Nambiar) was a paid consultant to the Sri Lankan government during the war. This is a well-known fact and this conflict of interest makes Nambiar an extremely poor choice as an envoy.
You can't justify these by saying that the UN staffers were unable to visit the conflict zone or that their hands were tied.
Further, as far as I could tell, UN's only access to Tamil refugees came when Moon visited the 'concentration camp' after the war. It was controlled access and his visit has achieved nothing so Mark nor UN can argue that there will be less cooperation from the Sri Lankan government since there has never been any meaningful cooperation...
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otto wrote on 06/28/2009  at  05:33 AM
Re: UN Plaza: To Ban or Not To Ban (Mark Leon Goldberg & Jacob Heilbrunn)
Heilbrunn doesn't seem to know what he's talking about in this diavlog.
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Markos wrote on 06/28/2009  at  06:06 PM
Re: UN Plaza: To Ban or Not To Ban (Mark Leon Goldberg & Jacob Heilbrunn)
I just went to Youtube and rewatched "We Are the World" for the first time in a long time and I strongly disagree with Mark. That video is not "cheesy." It's fabulous. The singing is great. Seeing all those singing collaborating in this one performance is fabulous. And the Springsteen-Wonder back-and-forth was fabulous. And I don't think the cause was cheesy or corny. It was a good cause and that video is a treasure.
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Stapler Malone wrote on 06/29/2009  at  07:49 AM
Re: UN Plaza: To Ban or Not To Ban (Mark Leon Goldberg & Jacob Heilbrunn)
Quoting nautirony: b. Moon's chief of staff Vijay Nambiar went to Sri Lanka during the critical phase of the war. He only talked with the Sri Lankan government and did not use that opportunity to meet even the moderate Tamils.
The United Nations is, by postwar design, a gov't-to-gov't organization, so this criticism (valid as it may be) seems better directed toward the UN in general, rather than Ban in particular.
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nautirony wrote on 06/29/2009  at  10:25 AM
Re: UN Plaza: To Ban or Not To Ban (Mark Leon Goldberg & Jacob Heilbrunn)
Fair point.
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Lyle wrote on 06/29/2009  at  11:04 AM
Death of Republican Realism
I agree with Heilbrunn's point about mainstream Republicans having lost their way with a realist foreign policy. I think this largely has to do with 9/11. The foreign policy preached by Bush during the 2000 campaign was one of realism or a foreign policy similar to his father's foreign policy. Things changed after 9/11 it seems.
Realism as a foreign policy is still there amongst some conservatives. Daniel Larison is a realist. Obama's current Pentagon chief is also a realist. Kissenger and others are still movers and shakers as well.
Obama has also seemlessly co-opted the Republican form of realism. His foreign policy has been exactly that, along with some Reaganesque/Clintonesque grand human rights rhetoric mixed in to placate liberals.




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