Jennifer has changed my mind about plastic bodies. I think I had to overcome imy instinctual disgust. Big hurdle. I participate in Gallaxy Zoo so I very much enjoyed this diavlog. One comment that may be unwelcome, since we have a big sky we might need two eyes to look at it. Sorry it was distracting.

Great diavlog. Science saturday never fails to impress.

an astronomic version of the old joke? http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/148...5:26&out=35:32

Quoting BeachFrontView: Great diavlog. Science saturday never fails to impress.

Agreed. It was fascinating to hear the details of a working astronomer's daily life.

Dalcanton: spurious event? spurious: of falsified or erroneously attributed origin. I hope not! I think your criterion for attribution is too restrictive for the computer age.

Quoting Baltimoron: Dalcanton: spurious event?

spurious: of falsified or erroneously attributed origin.

Huh. Learn something new every day. Until you noted this, I always thought that spurious could also mean a one-off, outlier, or some other unexpected appearance of a datum in a set of observations. I do think a lot of people use the word this way, especially those who look at data for a living, but the dictionary definitions are more in line with your complaint.

I thought Dalcanton at first defined "spurious" as you erroneously did, but what she's talking about is the role of the internet in scientific research. I think you confuse "spurious" with "spur of the moment".

Quoting Baltimoron: I thought Dalcanton at first defined "spurious" as you erroneously did, but what she's talking about is the role of the internet in scientific research.

I think you confuse "spurious" with "spur of the moment".

That's a good guess about why spurious is misused. I don't care to get into a debate about why Julianne used the word as she did, but as I recall it, she was using it to denote the unexpected appearance of the comet in the sky survey data, when she was looking for galaxies as opposed to things in this solar system.

Quoting bjkeefe: That's a good guess about why spurious is misused.

I don't care to get into a debate about why Julianne used the word as she did, but as I recall it, she was using it to denote the unexpected appearance of the comet in the sky survey data, when she was looking for galaxies as opposed to things in this solar system.

I think the link of meaning is with the use of spurious as related to data, or in this case observations. Spurious is applied to data that is "noise", or incidental but not really meaningful. One usually tries to get rid of spurious data because it's confusing. Julianne said that for the purpose of what she was studying the appearance of this near-object was a nuisance, something that was interfering with her observations. But ironically it was a true discovery.

Ocean's explanation seems most plausible. But, perhaps Dalcanton is more fluent (the Sean Carroll of lingo) with both words and figures than all of us.

Talking about science is fun and these two are exactly the sort to make science even more interesting. Applied science is especially fun, although I've never thought of naming a comet after myself. I have thought about being on the receiving end of a nuclear attack, however, which is a different kind of applied science. Michael Rubin has a good piece on that kind of applied science, the world-ending kind. It's worth a read if you're interested in living in a world with fewer nukes. The brightest minds in America seem to think sending US nuclear technology to rogue states is a good idea. India is getting a bunch from Uncle Sam which just might be why North Korea decided having nukes might be preferable to relying on American ideas about non-proliferation. My first memory of being on the receiving end of a nuclear attack occurred when I was a boy. Dad wheeled up early one afternoon with sleeping bags and a rifle in the back of the station wagon. Mom and Pop had lived through WWII. News that Dem President Kennedy was facing down Commie Cuba

Should we be reassured or worried that the Grammar-Language Big Brother is alive and well in this forum? FYI: http://www.languagehat.com/ http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/

Quoting kidneystones: Michael Rubin has a good piece on that kind of applied science, the world-ending kind. It's worth a read if you're interested in living in a world with fewer nukes.

Thanks for the link, kidneystones. Until now, I hadn't seen anything quite so explicit as this:

Only the most naive Democrat or isolationist Republican can ignore Iranian statements promising not only the acquisition of nuclear weapons but their use. On December 14, 2001, for example, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, perhaps Iran's second most powerful man and one often labelled a pragmatist by Western journalists, suggested that it may not be far-fetched to envision use of nuclear weapons against Israel.

Amid chants of "death to Israel", he declared: "The use of even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything ... It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality."

Rafsanjani's statements soon became the rule rather than the exception. On February 14, 2005, Ayatollah Mohammad Baqer Kharrazi, secretary-general of Iranian Hezbollah, declared: "We are able to produce atomic bombs and we will do that. We shouldn't be afraid of anyone. The US is no more than a barking dog." And on May 29, 2005, Hojatolislam Gholam Reza Hasani, the Supreme Leader's personal

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Shalom Michael,

What worries me most in wondering how the US will respond to Iran -- whatever the best response is (diplomacy, sanctions, attack, some combination, etc.) -- is that the apparently overwhelming need of many Americans to repair the US's "image" abroad will be playing far too significant a role in determining its response.

The entire US military-industrial-congressional-executive complex is as committed to Israel as it is to Hawaii. This will not change, and it will determine US policy in the region to a far greater extent than any concern about America's tarnished image in the world. Palin, Obama, McCain and Biden all fervently support Israel, in all its intransigence, bellicosity and regional rogue nuclear domination. The only thing that has surprised me lately is the report that Bush would not green light Israel to attack Iran. It would be a rare instance in which the right-wing Israeli tail fails to wag the dog and an even rarer instance of Bush prudence. If true, I will utter these words for the first time in 8 years: Thank you, President Bush. The only opposition in the US political establishment to the neo-con, pre-neo-con and post-neo-con policy toward Israel is on the

I am trying to figure out how an astronomy topic was transmogrified into Nuclear War and Islamic concerns???

Quoting SkepticDoc: I am trying to figure out how an astronomy topic was transmogrified into Nuclear War and Islamic concerns???

Kidneystones and mvantony got carried away with the topic of applied science into nuclear weapons. It happens a lot. Threads take a life of their own. We are all guilty of derailing at times. I do wish one could have a break every now and then...

Maybe we can review the Hubble's origins as a spy telescope... http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/kh-11.htm Is "Big Science" motivated and/or funded by War and Imperialistic concerns?...

Quoting SkepticDoc: Maybe we can review the Hubble's origins as a spy telescope...

Is "Big Science" motivated and/or funded by War and Imperialistic concerns?...

Shhh... don't break the news yet. Humanity isn't prepared for this...

Maybe Physicians are the most altruistic scientists, most of us just want to relieve pain and suffering... (violin music please) Except for those that help with torture...

Maybe Physicians are the most altruistic scientists, most of us just want to relieve pain and suffering... (violin music please)
Except for those that help with torture... How do you like the animation?

Good Job! (how many emoticons/smileys remain unused?)

Quoting SkepticDoc: Good Job! (how many emoticons/smileys remain unused?)

Way too many... Some would be close to impossible to use. Inappropriate I would say...

You can make new ones too! http://www.clicksmilies.com/

Quoting SkepticDoc: You can make new ones too!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/

You have created an even worse monster!!!! I'll never be able to stop now!

Quoting Baltimoron: ... spurious ...

She pleads nolo.

I am not a lawyer but doesn't "nolo contendere" mean "no contest", a no plea? Maybe Ms. Dalcanton could benefit from some therapy or even medications (propranolol?) before participating again. I hope she returns!!!

Quoting SkepticDoc: I am not a lawyer but doesn't "nolo contendere" mean "no contest", a no plea?

Maybe Ms. Dalcanton could benefit from some therapy or even medications (propranolol?) before participating again. I hope she returns!!!

She'll get over it quickly. We all felt the same the first time we were on TV...
Although regular TV doesn't stay there for posterity...

I am probably guilty of over interpreting her post, but there may be something else besides "stage fright".

Quoting SkepticDoc: I am not a lawyer but doesn't "nolo contendere" mean "no contest", a no plea?

I was going to put something in my previous comment, wondering whether someone would interpret my metaphor literally. Then I thought, Nah, no one on this board is that much of a dork. Did you get a lot of wedgies when you were a kid, SkepticDoc?

"ad hominem" You can dish it but can't take it.....

Quoting SkepticDoc: I am probably guilty of over interpreting her post, but there may be something else besides "stage fright".

I think it's just self-consciousness. Women, perhaps more than men, tend to be very critical of themselves, in part due to our wonderful culture that infuses lack of confidence since we are born. When we are exposed to an audience, those bits of criticism have to be digested. My advice to Julianne: don't worry, no one, ever, will be perfect. It's a fact of life, and sort of nice if you think about it.

Quoting SkepticDoc: You can dish it but can't take it.....

Where's your evidence for that? Because I called you a dork for saying something that only a dork would say? Seems to me you're the one who's being a little oversensitive here.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case!

We the jury find the accused guilty of oversensitivity. As to the charge of dorkiness, well look around...probably everyone here fits that category on some level. Come on people now, smile on your borther...(sing it with me!)

A Psychology concept comes to mind: "Projection"...

Quoting uncle ebeneezer: We the jury find the accused guilty of oversensitivity.

As to the charge of dorkiness, well look around...probably everyone here fits that category on some level.

Come on people now, smile on your brother...(sing it with me!)

That's a nice attempt at reconciliation! Having grown up with an older brother and cousins (boys), I should have learned long ago not to even try to reconcile their fights. It just doesn't work that well. But I still find myself trying... almost all the time. So here: We all have moments. Not to be taken too seriously or to dwell on hasty words. And if the offense is so great, and you have to kill each other, please do it outside. I don't like blood on my rugs... Nice?

Playing in several bands with numerous members and varying ego-issues, the level of catty argument/drama that I find myself in the middle of often necesitates the use of my diplomatic talents. I usually try to stay out of them, but when i like both people and the argument seems exceedingly silly (like arguing about links vs. block quotes ;-) I usually can't resist dropping a little humor into the mix.

Quoting uncle ebeneezer: Playing in several bands with numerous members and varying ego-issues, the level of catty argument/drama that I find myself in the middle of often necesitates the use of my diplomatic talents. I usually try to stay out of them, but when i like both people and the argument seems exceedingly silly (like arguing about links vs. block quotes ;-) I usually can't resist dropping a little humor into the mix.

No surprise. We all do mostly what we are good at. So, are you a rock star?

"Struggling artist" is more like it.

Quoting uncle ebeneezer: "Struggling artist" is more like it.

Struggle means motivation, determination and hope. That's great!

Yes, or you're in the midst of an attempted strangling. Sorry, dark humor.

Let's all gather around the campfire and sing along... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ For more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbaya For my fellow dorks: http://www.alphadictionary.com/artic...e/kumbaya.html

Quoting SkepticDoc: Let's all gather around the campfire and sing along...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ

For more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbaya

For my fellow dorks: http://www.alphadictionary.com/artic...e/kumbaya.html

Oh, good old times! Kumbaya denotes "a blandly pious and naively optimistic view of the world and human nature." What's wrong with that?

Dukkha

Quoting SkepticDoc: Dukkha

Nirvana... PS: What the heck is this?

Interesting. This will come in handy at the next cocktail party. As someone who never really went to church, I never knew whether Kumbaya was a real hym or simply a stylized ripoff for the hippies. And it is THE campfire song, I mean I don't even know what the runner-up campfire song would be. Any ideas??

It's either one dude whispering something into the ear of the other, or two dudes with one of them flashing gang signs.

nibbana, samsara ying-yang?

Quoting uncle ebeneezer: ... but when i like both people and the argument seems exceedingly silly (like arguing about links vs. block quotes ;-) I usually can't resist dropping a little humor into the mix.

For the record, that wasn't an argument. That was a discussion.

Yes, but a HEATED one. That's okay it was still amusing.

Quoting bjkeefe: For the record, that wasn't an argument. That was a discussion.

Yes, we know. That situation was only an inspiration for this hyperbolic flight. We went on to ramble about all sorts of incoherent stuff, poorly connected. I would say unhinged...

Like Life itself? I was under the impression that current Astronomy is working very hard at proving the existence of Life elsewhere, n'est-ce pas? Big Science Physics is trying to decode matter/energy... To prove there is no "God"? To find the "Meaning of Life"? Un idiota habla porque tiene que decir algo; Una persona sabia habla porque tiene algo que decir. from- http://forum.wordreference.com/

Quoting SkepticDoc: Like Life itself?

I was under the impression that current Astronomy is working very hard at proving the existence of Life elsewhere, n'est-ce pas?

Big Science Physics is trying to decode matter/energy...

To prove there is no "God"?

To find the "Meaning of Life"?

Un idiota habla porque tiene que decir algo; Una persona sabia habla porque tiene algo que decir.

Skeptic, I think my ability to follow the thread is gone. I have no clue. What???

Quoting uncle ebeneezer: It's either one dude whispering something into the ear of the other, or two dudes with one of them flashing gang signs.

Very funny. I wasn't asking about the smilies but about the topic. See, sometimes it gets too obscure for me. Perhaps if I learned the gang signs. But, since I haven't...

The thread was derailed long time ago, this is more like a free association session. Just waiting for the results for November 4.... Four long weeks, too many sad news http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/06/...ide/index.html

Quoting uncle ebeneezer: Yes, but a HEATED one.

That's okay it was still amusing.

Did it really seem heated? But thanks for reminding me. I need to get back to that and respond to Brendan's last post on that subject. There are still several more key points to be made about the various ways to link to information.

Quoting SkepticDoc: The thread was derailed long time ago, this is more like a free association session. Just waiting for the results for November 4....

Four long weeks, too many sad news http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/06/...ide/index.html

Yes, I agree that it derailed long ago. But, I usually can follow the free association, which isn't as free as people think. And when I can't follow it any longer, an alarm goes off. Something is wrong or hidden. Or I'm just tired. I volunteered the last possibility out of courtesy. Cheer up and stop reading sad news!

Thank you, Doctor! Some time ago, in a different Forum, some sage quoted something from "Candide" perhaps: "stop analyzing Life, and live" or something along that line...